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andyjyneo
19-Feb 2019 Tuesday 3:31 PM (1884 days ago)               #1
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Refer to the recent massive post flooding incident, initiated by sk33 in /ab thread:
https://forums.asianbookie.com/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=30&Topic=3244987

I hereby propose that post counts should be disabled in /gc and other Friendly Discussion forums.

The reason why I proposed this is due to:
1. This is a betting/tip sharing forum. /gc and other friendly discussion forums by all means is a side-dish forum (doesn't fall under serious discussed forum, hence post counts shouldn't be enabled.)
2. This is extremely unfair for genuine members who really posted genuine sharing posts/threads for the benefits of all /ab members. There're a few genuine members who have been actively posting good threads/posts. But is it fair to them when serial flooder like sk33 comes into the picture?
3. Monkey see, monkey do business. If sk33 is not being apprehended, the 2nd one will follow suit, and 3rd one too. If 2nd, 3rd, so on and so forth got warned, excuses like "WTFBBQKNNCCBMCH ADMIN MOD Y U BAN ME?", "DAFUQ ADMIN DOUBLE STANDARD", "Y SK33 CAN, I CANNOT? FUCUK U ADMIN", etc statements will appear.
4. Reputation. /ab is known as betting/sharing forum, not flooding forum. Soon, when everyone flood like nobody business and flooders will take over this forum, we might have to rename AsianBookie to AsianFlooders.
5. Quality over quantity. I can guarantee that more than sk33's 510k posts are nonsense and not helpful at all. Forums appreciate quality posts/threads/inputs from members. Is it really that great to achieve such milestone by posting nonsense and useless posts?
6. Double standard rules. Rules stated that DO NOT post any PENDING THREADS Bandwidth is expensive, so why should /ab cater such resources for such law-breaking idiots? Are we really obliged to do that?

I seriously and genuinely hope that  @AsianBookie aka Mr AB will look into this because we don't want to see any double-standard treatment on our members.
To all admins and mods, I'm not against anyone of you, and I sincerely appreciate your time and effort dedicated to this forum.
Thank you.

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This message was edited by andyjyneo on 19-Feb-2019 at 3:43 PM



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Bro  @AsianBookie , need your wise jurisdiction on the above proposal.

I believe it is not the first time that this proposal has been brought up.
Even some GC regulars are in approval of this.
As a matter of fact, post count is the point of contention which result in an ongoing and unhealthy rivalry amongst a few of them. I can supply you the evidence if required. 
Hence, I support this proposal.




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i totally support this suggestion.... 

kindly review this issue ✌️?☺️




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Boss AB - I always neutral on GC. But this is a good suggestions to consider. It helps to reduce conflicts and prevent unforeseen incident from occurring. 

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as the admins presiding over GC matters, aren’t you going to provide your valuable inputs?


 

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Hmm?
Thread is locked, but you guys non-admins still can reply?

Anyway, those who are in favour of this proposal, please leave your message or like the first post.
I'm not gathering likes, but this is one of the way to see how many members are for this.



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Q2: How to turn forum members into coward?
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Q3: How to win a debate/argument?
A3: There are many ways in fact. You can assemble keyboard warriors or SJWs to defend yourself. You can even create multiple dupes to 'blind' the members that you in fact have a lot of defenders.


Q4: I won 1 and lost 4 matches. What should I do?
A4: You're encouraged to celebrate your win and ignore the 4 losses. Nobody will harp on it even if you lost overall. Make sure you celebrate like wild!


Q5: What's the worst, most useless and meaningless suggestion did a forum ever receive?
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quote originally posted by andyjyneo:
Hmm?
Thread is locked, but you guys non-admins still can reply?

Anyway, those who are in favour of this proposal, please leave your message or like the first post.
I'm not gathering likes, but this is one of the way to see how many members are for this.




It’s not locked. It’s just marked settled.
Anyone can still reply 




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quote originally posted by wembly:

It’s not locked. It’s just marked settled.
Anyone can still reply




Oh, below there says thread is locked.



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Q1: What's contribution?
A1: Only posting of tips is counted as. Other forms of contribution is not accepted, and are counted as void and null.


Q2: How to turn forum members into coward?
A2: You block them! When they've no way to defend themselves, they're coward!


Q3: How to win a debate/argument?
A3: There are many ways in fact. You can assemble keyboard warriors or SJWs to defend yourself. You can even create multiple dupes to 'blind' the members that you in fact have a lot of defenders.


Q4: I won 1 and lost 4 matches. What should I do?
A4: You're encouraged to celebrate your win and ignore the 4 losses. Nobody will harp on it even if you lost overall. Make sure you celebrate like wild!


Q5: What's the worst, most useless and meaningless suggestion did a forum ever receive?
A5: Disable post replies. WIN!


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imho, think this over objectively.
what is the root cause of the problem? is it a good solution?
what will happen if take this action of disabling post count in gossip section?
will there be anymore members come and tcss, share educational pics etc etc?




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19-Feb 2019 Tuesday 5:47 PM (1883 days ago)            #10
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quote originally posted by nil:
imho, think this over objectively.
what is the root cause of the problem? is it a good solution?
what will happen if take this action of disabling post count in gossip section?
will there be anymore members come and tcss, share educational pics etc etc?




The root cause of the problem is flooding.
If post counts is disabled, there's no point for them to flood anymore.

As for tcss threads alike, everyone can continue doing what they're doing now.

Tcss threads are just a cover up.
Just look at the thread link i posted.
How did that serial flooder sk33 flood?
Why didnt he flood the other threads?



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Q1: What's contribution?
A1: Only posting of tips is counted as. Other forms of contribution is not accepted, and are counted as void and null.


Q2: How to turn forum members into coward?
A2: You block them! When they've no way to defend themselves, they're coward!


Q3: How to win a debate/argument?
A3: There are many ways in fact. You can assemble keyboard warriors or SJWs to defend yourself. You can even create multiple dupes to 'blind' the members that you in fact have a lot of defenders.


Q4: I won 1 and lost 4 matches. What should I do?
A4: You're encouraged to celebrate your win and ignore the 4 losses. Nobody will harp on it even if you lost overall. Make sure you celebrate like wild!


Q5: What's the worst, most useless and meaningless suggestion did a forum ever receive?
A5: Disable post replies. WIN!


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quote originally posted by andyjyneo:

The root cause of the problem is flooding.
If post counts is disabled, there's no point for them to flood anymore.

As for tcss threads alike, everyone can continue doing what they're doing now.

Tcss threads are just a cover up.
Just look at the thread link i posted.
How did that serial flooder sk33 flood?
Why didnt he flood the other threads?




That I agree with you.
No matter how secure a system, there will always be people that will try to beat the system.
Once you patch that loophole, another problem will arise. That’s the paradox of life.
That’s also the dilemma facing Webmaster as well

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quote originally posted by wembly:

That I agree with you.
No matter how secure a system, there will always be people that will try to beat the system.
Once you patch that loophole, another problem will arise. That’s the paradox of life.
That’s also the dilemma facing Webmaster as well This message was edited by wembly on 19-Feb-2019 at 5:54 PM




Don't worry bro.
Once this no post count is enforced, and if there's any loophole arises, I'll suggest again.
Bring it on!



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A1: Only posting of tips is counted as. Other forms of contribution is not accepted, and are counted as void and null.


Q2: How to turn forum members into coward?
A2: You block them! When they've no way to defend themselves, they're coward!


Q3: How to win a debate/argument?
A3: There are many ways in fact. You can assemble keyboard warriors or SJWs to defend yourself. You can even create multiple dupes to 'blind' the members that you in fact have a lot of defenders.


Q4: I won 1 and lost 4 matches. What should I do?
A4: You're encouraged to celebrate your win and ignore the 4 losses. Nobody will harp on it even if you lost overall. Make sure you celebrate like wild!


Q5: What's the worst, most useless and meaningless suggestion did a forum ever receive?
A5: Disable post replies. WIN!


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quote originally posted by andyjyneo:

The root cause of the problem is flooding.
If post counts is disabled, there's no point for them to flood anymore.

As for tcss threads alike, everyone can continue doing what they're doing now.

Tcss threads are just a cover up.
Just look at the thread link i posted.
How did that serial flooder sk33 flood?
Why didnt he flood the other threads?



There are others posting informative threads at GC that may also be counting on post count as a source of motivation too.

We can’t afford to kill that off.
 

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quote originally posted by wembly:
There are others posting informative at GC that may also be counting on post count as a source of motivation too.
We can’t afford to kill that off




Yes, I've noticed that, and I've included them in my 1st post.
They are genuine members, but the truth is cruel.
Because of a few bad eggs, we need to get rid of them.
Anyway, the final decision lies on webmaster.

If this no post count is not acceptable, then i will propose post combination feature.
Anyone who posts continuously will be combined into 1 post only.



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Q1: What's contribution?
A1: Only posting of tips is counted as. Other forms of contribution is not accepted, and are counted as void and null.


Q2: How to turn forum members into coward?
A2: You block them! When they've no way to defend themselves, they're coward!


Q3: How to win a debate/argument?
A3: There are many ways in fact. You can assemble keyboard warriors or SJWs to defend yourself. You can even create multiple dupes to 'blind' the members that you in fact have a lot of defenders.


Q4: I won 1 and lost 4 matches. What should I do?
A4: You're encouraged to celebrate your win and ignore the 4 losses. Nobody will harp on it even if you lost overall. Make sure you celebrate like wild!


Q5: What's the worst, most useless and meaningless suggestion did a forum ever receive?
A5: Disable post replies. WIN!


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quote originally posted by andyjyneo:

The root cause of the problem is flooding.
If post counts is disabled, there's no point for them to flood anymore.
As for tcss threads alike, everyone can continue doing what they're doing now.
Tcss threads are just a cover up.
Just look at the thread link i posted.
How did that serial flooder sk33 flood?
Why didnt he flood the other threads?



i think we should cut sk33 some slack. he contributes to the main forums as well by sharing his picks, not as though he does nothing else but flood GC. i support your idea and believe it will cut down such behaviour. but if its a milestone that he had in mind and just wanna hit it for some sense of achievement to pass time, what done is already done. we shouldn't keep harping on it and calling him out. let's just focus on improving the forum bro. even though it is really very hard to think of an idea where the post still counts for valuable topics and also prevent 1,2 word replies




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We did this before a few years back for a few weeks whereby GC posts would not count towards post count (same with the Test forum). However this resulted in GC getting quieter in general and in order to not choke out GC and to have more motivation for some members we removed it.

Personally I do not think it should be implemented because a post is a post. If we go down this line again, eventually even "good luck" and "congrats" posts in the main forums would not be counted. We may however implement TCSS posts will not be counted but that could introduce another set of unintended problems.

There will be unhappiness whichever way we do it so we just have to think for the greater good. I think this is a good problem to have. There are other ghost town forums that wish they had members like we have. That said, childish flooding has never and will never ever be tolerated. For this we have the yellow/red cards, suspension, demotion etc. Gold members who continually break the rules will result in demotion eventually. We have even made a member post count back to zero before but that was a one-off. 

 



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quote originally posted by fate_87:


i think we should cut sk33 some slack. he contributes to the main forums as well by sharing his picks, not as though he does nothing else but flood GC. i support your idea and believe it will cut down such behaviour. but if its a milestone that he had in mind and just wanna hit it for some sense of achievement to pass time, what done is already done. we shouldn't keep harping on it and calling him out. let's just focus on improving the forum bro. even though it is really very hard to think of an idea where the post still counts for valuable topics and also prevent 1,2 word replies




I'm not cutting any slack and certainly not finding fault.
He is the root cause of this problem happening today, so we have to rectify that.
He blocked me for lecturing him, and he got the backing of an admin.
Now this is serious and clearly abuse of power.

Imagine, what if a top tipster contribute extensively to this forum, but he directs his followers to another forum/site?
That's not acceptable too.



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Q1: What's contribution?
A1: Only posting of tips is counted as. Other forms of contribution is not accepted, and are counted as void and null.


Q2: How to turn forum members into coward?
A2: You block them! When they've no way to defend themselves, they're coward!


Q3: How to win a debate/argument?
A3: There are many ways in fact. You can assemble keyboard warriors or SJWs to defend yourself. You can even create multiple dupes to 'blind' the members that you in fact have a lot of defenders.


Q4: I won 1 and lost 4 matches. What should I do?
A4: You're encouraged to celebrate your win and ignore the 4 losses. Nobody will harp on it even if you lost overall. Make sure you celebrate like wild!


Q5: What's the worst, most useless and meaningless suggestion did a forum ever receive?
A5: Disable post replies. WIN!


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quote originally posted by fate_87:


i think we should cut sk33 some slack. he contributes to the main forums as well by sharing his picks, not as though he does nothing else but flood GC. i support your idea and believe it will cut down such behaviour. but if its a milestone that he had in mind and just wanna hit it for some sense of achievement to pass time, what done is already done. we shouldn't keep harping on it and calling him out. let's just focus on improving the forum bro. even though it is really very hard to think of an idea where the post still counts for valuable topics and also prevent 1,2 word replies



You have indeed matured bro ?
‘Forum First’ mentality should always be adopted.

Unfortunately, I’m privy to some infos about the member that you may not have access to and that mainly arises out of post count. The fact that those issues transcend to the main forums is a definite no-no.
 

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quote originally posted by AsianBookie:
We did this before a few years back for a few weeks whereby GC posts would not count towards post count (same with the Test forum). However this resulted in GC getting quieter in general and in order to not choke out GC and to have more motivation for some members we removed it.

Personally I do not think it should be implemented because a post is a post. If we go down this line again, eventually even "good luck" and "congrats" posts in the main forums would not be counted. We may however implement TCSS posts will not be counted but that could introduce another set of unintended problems.

There will be unhappiness whichever way we do it so we just have to think for the greater good. I think this is a good problem to have. There are other ghost town forums that wish they had members like we have. That said, childish flooding has never and will never ever be tolerated. For this we have the yellow/red cards, suspension, demotion etc. Gold members who continually break the rules will result in demotion eventually. We have even made a member post count back to zero before but that was a one-off. 




Mr AB, apologise if my remark is offensive.
I don't see any action being taken towards this serial flooder.
And he got the backing of an admin for doing this way.
Isn't this an abuse of power for backing a member to go against the rules?



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Q1: What's contribution?
A1: Only posting of tips is counted as. Other forms of contribution is not accepted, and are counted as void and null.


Q2: How to turn forum members into coward?
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quote originally posted by andyjyneo:

I'm not cutting any slack and certainly not finding fault.
He is the root cause of this problem happening today, so we have to rectify that.
He blocked me for lecturing him, and he got the backing of an admin.
Now this is serious and clearly abuse of power.
Imagine, what if a top tipster contribute extensively to this forum, but he directs his followers to another forum/site?
That's not acceptable too.


quote originally posted by wembly:

You have indeed matured bro ?
‘Forum First’ mentality should always be adopted.
Unfortunately, I’m privy to some infos about the member that you may not have access to and that mainly arises out of post count. The fact that those issues transcend to the main forums is a definite no-no.
 
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i am definitely not aware of what is going on behind the scenes, in that case i understand.




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quote originally posted by andyjyneo:

Mr AB, apologise if my remark is offensive.
I don't see any action being taken towards this serial flooder.
And he got the backing of an admin for doing this way.
Isn't this an abuse of power for backing a member to go against the rules?



That member has been reviewed by me personally and though I found some of this posts meaningless, there is no real malice intended. This is GC the rules can be relaxed a bit. That said, we are all watching him more closely. 



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quote originally posted by AsianBookie:
We did this before a few years back for a few weeks whereby GC posts would not count towards post count (same with the Test forum). However this resulted in GC getting quieter in general and in order to not choke out GC and to have more motivation for some members we removed it.

Personally I do not think it should be implemented because a post is a post. If we go down this line again, eventually even "good luck" and "congrats" posts in the main forums would not be counted. We may however implement TCSS posts will not be counted but that could introduce another set of unintended problems.

There will be unhappiness whichever way we do it so we just have to think for the greater good. I think this is a good problem to have. There are other ghost town forums that wish they had members like we have. That said, childish flooding has never and will never ever be tolerated. For this we have the yellow/red cards, suspension, demotion etc. Gold members who continually break the rules will result in demotion eventually. We have even made a member post count back to zero before but that was a one-off. 




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quote originally posted by AsianBookie:
We did this before a few years back for a few weeks whereby GC posts would not count towards post count (same with the Test forum). However this resulted in GC getting quieter in general and in order to not choke out GC and to have more motivation for some members we removed it.

Personally I do not think it should be implemented because a post is a post. If we go down this line again, eventually even "good luck" and "congrats" posts in the main forums would not be counted. We may however implement TCSS posts will not be counted but that could introduce another set of unintended problems.

There will be unhappiness whichever way we do it so we just have to think for the greater good. I think this is a good problem to have. There are other ghost town forums that wish they had members like we have. That said, childish flooding has never and will never ever be tolerated. For this we have the yellow/red cards, suspension, demotion etc. Gold members who continually break the rules will result in demotion eventually. We have even made a member post count back to zero before but that was a one-off. 




Bro, is it possible then to count successive posts from one person in a thread at GC as one?
As least it will prevent one from ‘talking to himself’ like what I tried to do yesterday and be able to log them all as post counts. 

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quote originally posted by AsianBookie:
We did this before a few years back for a few weeks whereby GC posts would not count towards post count (same with the Test forum). However this resulted in GC getting quieter in general and in order to not choke out GC and to have more motivation for some members we removed it.

Personally I do not think it should be implemented because a post is a post. If we go down this line again, eventually even "good luck" and "congrats" posts in the main forums would not be counted. We may however implement TCSS posts will not be counted but that could introduce another set of unintended problems.

There will be unhappiness whichever way we do it so we just have to think for the greater good. I think this is a good problem to have. There are other ghost town forums that wish they had members like we have. That said, childish flooding has never and will never ever be tolerated. For this we have the yellow/red cards, suspension, demotion etc. Gold members who continually break the rules will result in demotion eventually. We have even made a member post count back to zero before but that was a one-off. 




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quote originally posted by wembly:

Bro, is it possible then to count successive posts from one person in a thread at GC as one?
As least it will prevent one from ‘talking to himself’ like what I tried to do yesterday and be able to log them all as post counts. 
This message was edited by wembly on 19-Feb-2019 at 6:25 PM


quote originally posted by AsianBookie:

That member has been reviewed by me personally and though I found some of this posts meaningless, there is no real malice intended. This is GC the rules can be relaxed a bit. That said, we are all watching him more closely. 


may i suggest a 30 seconds delay in posts for GC regardless of the member status? no matter what medal also will have the delay just like new members.




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Agreed and noted ~




We need suggestions more than an agreement with Webmaster.
Where were your input when it’s requred earlier?

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We need suggestions more than an agreement with Webmaster.




I think supporting is more important now Admin wembly, moreover I am happy in gc and I am a gc regular ~ 



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I think supporting is more important now Admin wembly, moreover I am happy in gc and I am a gc regular ~




Support when it’s time to support, oppose and raise counter measures when its time to oppose.
That is how things can be improved and that’s where I’m different from you.
I try to solve problems.
 

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Dear esteemed admins & fellow members who care, kindly allow me to share my 2 cents as per the quotes above.

#1 Too much of a good thing can be bad.
The secret is moderation. 

#2 Don't fix what is not broken.
The problem lies not with the system but with those who try to beat the system.  

#3 One bad apple may spoil the bunch, but we're not apples.
Don't let the poor choices of a select few affect everyone else.

The post count ranks has been around as far as I can remember. I believe it is implemented with good intention; a form of encouragement / recognition to reward loyal members who contribute extensively. However, these contribution must be moderated.

As far as I understand, there are existing rules in AB to tackle flooding (yellow cards) and to ensure members don't get promoted too quickly (like a cooling off period - 1 year if not mistaken). However, that doesn't apply to post count auto-promotion and there's a loophole in the sense that members themselves control it. There's really no need to 'punish' everyone for the misdeed of a few and I strongly believe that positive reinforcement of the rules would bring sunshine to AB again. All new and old members alike may need a timely refresher course, so to speak. 

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Support when it’s time to support, oppose and raise counter measures when its time to oppose.
That is how things can be improved and that’s where I’m different from you.
I try to solve problems.
  This message was edited by wembly on 19-Feb-2019 at 6:35 PM




To me, there is no problem at all, what in-put you want me to "put" ? 
Dont eye-ing too much on the "problem", the "problem" become bigger and bigger...

walk step or few step behind, the "problem" actually is not that Big as what you see/think.

 



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Thanks fellow members for your inputs & admin Sifeilow for your agreement with Webmaster,

Webmaster has spoken.
Let the matter rest and please be assured that some of the more dedicated admins/ mods will be on the lookout for any misdemeanor at GC.

On my part, I sincerely apologize for the nonsensical thread at GC.

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To me, there is no problem at all, what in-put you want me to "put" ? 
Dont eye-ing too much on the "problem", the "problem" become bigger and bigger...

walk step or few step behind, the "problem" actually is not that Big as what you see/think.




Thanks for your esteemed advice, allow me to re-phrase it in better English.
’Sweep it under the carpet.’




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Thanks for your esteemed advice, allow me to re-phrase it in better English.
’Sweep it under the carpet. rug




谢谢,您翻译错也“想太多”了。



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谢谢,您翻译错也“想太多”了。




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Guys, since this no post count has been vetoed, can we vote for post combination?
If a member posts consecutively, all his/her posts will be combined into 1.
All his/her posts will be counted as 1 only instead of multiple.



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quote originally posted by AsianBookie:

We did this before a few years back for a few weeks whereby GC posts would not count towards post count (same with the Test forum). However this resulted in GC getting quieter in general and in order to not choke out GC and to have more motivation for some members we removed it.
Personally I do not think it should be implemented because a post is a post. If we go down this line again, eventually even "good luck" and "congrats" posts in the main forums would not be counted. We may however implement TCSS posts will not be counted but that could introduce another set of unintended problems.
There will be unhappiness whichever way we do it so we just have to think for the greater good. I think this is a good problem to have. There are other ghost town forums that wish they had members like we have. That said, childish flooding has never and will never ever be tolerated. For this we have the yellow/red cards, suspension, demotion etc. Gold members who continually break the rules will result in demotion eventually. We have even made a member post count back to zero before but that was a one-off. 
 



Yes I tend to agree. If post counts are not counted in GC, then the same reasoning can be used not to count "good luck" or "congrats" messages. If this happens, I fear the forum will be very very quiet. But we admins also have to look into members who flood the forums frequently. Fortunately, the members who flood GC are very few compared to the nearly 250,000 registered forum members AsianBookie.com has currently.



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quote originally posted by Blanchflower:
Yes I tend to agree. If post counts are not counted in GC, then the same reasoning can be used not to count "good luck" or "congrats" messages. If this happens, I fear the forum will be very very quiet. But we admins also have to look into members who flood the forums frequently. Fortunately, the members who flood GC are very few compared to the nearly 250,000 registered forum members AsianBookie.com has currently.



Hi
We will look into it as a team and will not hesitate to yc / suspension / and demote whatever membership tier if "convicted" of flooding . Meanwhile is biz as usual at GC. Stay cool. 

 

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I have now implemented a 2 minute rule for adding post count in GC. - If you post in GC, you will add one post count, subsequently, all other posts made in GC within that 2 minutes will not count towards your post count. Once it expires, it will add another post count. I hope this satisfies everyone. It can be adjusted higher or lower later on if it is still a problem. This is a better suggestion rather than limiting to post once per 1 min. That way we don't restrict participation, but if you are abusing it for post count, you will not get rewarded. If you try to game the system, we again have the verbal warning/yc/rc/suspend methods.

There are actually a lot of controls already in place that many of you guys as Gold members/Admins don't feel because those restrictions have been lifted for you - It is too technical to go into detail. For example, normal members have a flooding check of 1 post per 30 secs in the main forums. Newly registered members have a 15 minute cooldown, and only one post per 5 minutes. etc. When we give you gold member status, it is not just a medal as a reward, it also signifies alot of trust that we place on you to behave as a shining example. That is why it comes with more privileges (and responsibilities). If we feel you are undeserving of it, we can take it away. 

What  @Nice_Guy said is correct - The system works. AB is still the biggest AH forum in the world and many members have been around almost 20 years now. Legends came, stick around a few years and left (poor health, lost too much, got banned, retired etc) but the truly great are still around. Some even come back after a few years of MIA. So lets all celebrate it rather than keep harping on these minor issues.

Anyway, this has been a good discussion. Thank you all for partipating in this debate. Let's move on after this and do not hold any grudges against each other. Last day of CNY, please remember to collect your hong bao if you haven't done so and may all have a properious year of the pig!



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quote originally posted by AsianBookie:

I have now implemented a 2 minute rule for adding post count in GC. - If you post in GC, you will add one post count, subsequently, all other posts made in GC within that 2 minutes will not count towards your post count. Once it expires, it will add another post count. I hope this satisfies everyone. It can be adjusted higher or lower later on if it is still a problem. This is a better suggestion rather than limiting to post once per 1 min. That way we don't restrict participation, but if you are abusing it for post count, you will not get rewarded. If you try to game the system, we again have the verbal warning/yc/rc/suspend methods.
There are actually a lot of controls already in place that many of you guys as Gold members/Admins don't feel because those restrictions have been lifted for you - It is too technical to go into detail. For example, normal members have a flooding check of 1 post per 30 secs in the main forums. Newly registered members have a 15 minute cooldown, and only one post per 5 minutes. etc. When we give you gold member status, it is not just a medal as a reward, it also signifies alot of trust that we place on you to behave as a shining example. That is why it comes with more privileges (and responsibilities). If we feel you are undeserving of it, we can take it away. 
What  @Nice_Guy said is correct - The system works. AB is still the biggest AH forum in the world and many members have been around almost 20 years now. Legends came, stick around a few years and left (poor health, lost too much, got banned, retired etc) but the truly great are still around. Some even come back after a few years of MIA. So lets all celebrate it rather than keep harping on these minor issues.
Anyway, this has been a good discussion. Thank you all for partipating in this debate. Let's move on after this and do not hold any grudges against each other. Last day of CNY, please remember to collect your hong bao if you haven't done so and may all have a properious year of the pig!





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andyjyneo
20-Feb 2019 Wednesday 12:19 PM (1883 days ago)            #42
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Thank you Mr AB  @AsianBookie  for listening to our plights.
Case will be closed.


If I stumble across such incidents again, I'll not hesitate to highlight again.
Together, let's make /ab a better place for all.

This thread will be locked on 22nd Feb 2019, if there's no more feedback from other members.
Deepest appreciation goes to everyone for the participation, views, healthy debates and suggestion.
I personally have broken /ab record for having the longest thread in Help & Suggestion Forum.

Again, thank you.



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FAQ by Tipster Legend™.

Q1: What's contribution?
A1: Only posting of tips is counted as. Other forms of contribution is not accepted, and are counted as void and null.


Q2: How to turn forum members into coward?
A2: You block them! When they've no way to defend themselves, they're coward!


Q3: How to win a debate/argument?
A3: There are many ways in fact. You can assemble keyboard warriors or SJWs to defend yourself. You can even create multiple dupes to 'blind' the members that you in fact have a lot of defenders.


Q4: I won 1 and lost 4 matches. What should I do?
A4: You're encouraged to celebrate your win and ignore the 4 losses. Nobody will harp on it even if you lost overall. Make sure you celebrate like wild!


Q5: What's the worst, most useless and meaningless suggestion did a forum ever receive?
A5: Disable post replies. WIN!


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21-Feb 2019 Thursday 10:44 AM (1882 days ago)            #43
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quote originally posted by AsianBookie:
I have now implemented a 2 minute rule for adding post count in GC. - If you post in GC, you will add one post count, subsequently, all other posts made in GC within that 2 minutes will not count towards your post count. Once it expires, it will add another post count. I hope this satisfies everyone. It can be adjusted higher or lower later on if it is still a problem. This is a better suggestion rather than limiting to post once per 1 min. That way we don't restrict participation, but if you are abusing it for post count, you will not get rewarded. If you try to game the system, we again have the verbal warning/yc/rc/suspend methods.

There are actually a lot of controls already in place that many of you guys as Gold members/Admins don't feel because those restrictions have been lifted for you - It is too technical to go into detail. For example, normal members have a flooding check of 1 post per 30 secs in the main forums. Newly registered members have a 15 minute cooldown, and only one post per 5 minutes. etc. When we give you gold member status, it is not just a medal as a reward, it also signifies alot of trust that we place on you to behave as a shining example. That is why it comes with more privileges (and responsibilities). If we feel you are undeserving of it, we can take it away. 

What  @Nice_Guy said is correct - The system works. AB is still the biggest AH forum in the world and many members have been around almost 20 years now. Legends came, stick around a few years and left (poor health, lost too much, got banned, retired etc) but the truly great are still around. Some even come back after a few years of MIA. So lets all celebrate it rather than keep harping on these minor issues.

Anyway, this has been a good discussion. Thank you all for partipating in this debate. Let's move on after this and do not hold any grudges against each other. Last day of CNY, please remember to collect your hong bao if you haven't done so and may all have a properious year of the pig!


Best and longest speech i ever heard from Mr AB after so many years!



 




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